tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post1748658291661778332..comments2024-03-11T02:32:15.295-04:00Comments on Goblin Artisans: Weekend Design Challenge 051217—Hour of Devastation mechanicsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-30824863820231729112017-05-16T16:35:32.831-04:002017-05-16T16:35:32.831-04:00Completly agree!Completly agree!Ecoabismo?https://www.blogger.com/profile/00773209455155237948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-59584730448122526902017-05-16T10:51:45.158-04:002017-05-16T10:51:45.158-04:00+It also triggers revolt.
-People didn't reco...+It also triggers revolt.<br /><br />-People didn't recognize cycles-from-play as a variant of cycling. I don't think people will recognize this is as a variant of that either.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-66430429184417726282017-05-15T18:57:16.116-04:002017-05-15T18:57:16.116-04:00Didn't want to clog this with too many submiss...Didn't want to clog this with too many submissions, but my other idea was hitting the old Urza's Destiny "cycle from play" creatures with a little more flavor, and triggering the discard-or-cycle cards. In its simplest iteration, without a named keyword:<br /><br />Judgment Seeker 1R<br />Creature<br />2: Return CARDNAME to your hand, then discard a card and draw a card. Activate this only as a sorcery.<br />2/1<br /><br />My best guess is this is too strong with madness & delirium, but it's a fun "judge me worthy!" flavor alongside mechanical smoothing.Pasteurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02058331124653341978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-19239955024048525232017-05-15T17:59:42.482-04:002017-05-15T17:59:42.482-04:00Making good mechanics is quite hard, and there did...Making good mechanics is quite hard, and there didn't seem to be a lot of obvious next steps for the existing mechanics. I think you did pretty well considering, Artisans.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-18880121939973189352017-05-15T17:58:27.806-04:002017-05-15T17:58:27.806-04:00Spellcycling would indeed be a valid and attractiv...Spellcycling would indeed be a valid and attractive new tweak on cycling, but it's a problem that plainscycling, basic land cycling, and wizard cycling don't work this way: They are search effects rather than reveal-until. They probably <i>shouldn't be</i>, but the precedent is nonetheless set.<br /><br />Ignoring that, I like spellcycling a lot. Bolas's Disdain seems too strong to be uncommon. Maybe okay at rare?Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-66875757046265932992017-05-15T17:55:16.195-04:002017-05-15T17:55:16.195-04:00My sense is this isn't quite how the story wil...My sense is this isn't quite how the story will go, but that's far too hazy and subjective, so let's say it is.<br /><br />Cartouche of Weakness does flip a cycle of cards on its head, turning expressly self-positive cards into expressly offensive cards. It's nice that they still trigger your trials (but that raises big story questions). <br /><br />Cartouche of Weakness might be too much the mirror of <a rel="nofollow">Cartouche of Strength</a>, not because mirrors are bad, but because this aura will die immediately when you're not just just desperately weakening some dominating threat, and that't not what auras are for.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-62508139521861871492017-05-15T17:45:43.288-04:002017-05-15T17:45:43.288-04:00Scarab-Hewn Sufferer uses exert in a new way: Inst...Scarab-Hewn Sufferer uses exert in a new way: Instead of being an option when you attack, you can only do it when the creature ETBs, preventing you from attacking with it for a turn more than usual. That's simple and relevant; Not quite as fun as attacking, but easily worth making.<br /><br />Scarab-Hewn Sufferer is quite good, as a 2/3 for three, that can exert into <a rel="nofollow">Assassinate</a>, but certainly not better than <a rel="nofollow">Nekrataal</a>.<br /><br />Nice.<br /><br />(One thought I had about this challenge was using exert as a kicker cost for spells.)Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-89819315882656697502017-05-15T17:41:16.679-04:002017-05-15T17:41:16.679-04:00Afterlife provides an ability word for the mechani...Afterlife provides an ability word for the mechanic from the <a rel="nofollow">Wonder</a> cycle. A significant difference is that afterlife doesn't care whether your deck is playing lands that could cast the card. You could easily play all the afterlife cards in a deck that mills itself, with no intention of casting them (though you likely wouldn't do that without some way to loot them out of your hand too).<br /><br />It's been a very long time since we've seen this mechanic, and it is attractive. I just don't know how much design space there is for it. We could surely make a new rare cycle, but is that worth giving an ability word? I don't believe we can put afterlife on commons, and while uncommon could work, I don't think we can make more than 6 or so, just because the number of options is so limited.<br /><br />Putting both lifelink and deathtouch and Accursed Redeemed, means we're either making a tight five-card two-color cycle and the WR card also grants lifelink and the BG card also grants deathtouch, or we're just eating up the precious few evergreen keywords we've got.<br /><br />We could also just make this one-off WB rare, and that might be quite fun, but we wouldn't name the ability word in that case.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-28100754679490635942017-05-15T17:18:40.296-04:002017-05-15T17:18:40.296-04:00Pushing the aftermath idea further - how ridiculou...Pushing the aftermath idea further - how ridiculous would it be to be an artifact or enchantment in the graveyard with aftermath frame and the bonus? (Artifact - Monument?)<br /><br />Probably too cute in a Bridge from Below way, but if the template allowed for it it would be neat space to play in; if limited like Wobbles says to a single cycle to prevent complexity spiraling.Pasteurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02058331124653341978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-59177598761030799742017-05-15T13:59:52.662-04:002017-05-15T13:59:52.662-04:00Forsaken doesn't interact with any of the bloc...Forsaken doesn't interact with any of the block's existing mechanics in gameplay. It draws a resemblance to exert and cycling, but it's not serving a mechanical purpose either of them isn't, and its addition doesn't add new meaning to those mechanics. I agree the flavor can work, but I'd definitely save this keyword for another set.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-53427627613939247042017-05-15T13:24:21.679-04:002017-05-15T13:24:21.679-04:00Afterlife is threshold for exile. In general, that...Afterlife is threshold for exile. In general, that's a poor plan because the game doesn't put anything into exile naturally, only specific cards do. We can make an exception for a set that enables exile, like <i>Battle for Zendikar</i>. <i>Amonkhet</i> does exile via aftermath and embalm so caring about it is possible.<br /><br />Afterlife also differs from threshold because it cares about your exile zone <i>and</i> your opponent's. This is likely a mistake, because it removes focus for the player and identity for the mechanic.<br /><br />Choosing between "N cards in your exile zone" and "N cards in an opponent's exile zone," the former plays more distinctly from the Eldrazi processors, and rewards a player for using the set's other mechanics; the latter relies on your opponent's deck and punishes players for using the set's other mechanics. I'd got with the former.<br /><br />Wrap in Silk is a strange card (but not too strange for uncommon), mostly either acting as a flicker effect or negating an opposing embalm. I'm not sure why the kicked version lets you scry; I guess because you want card selection while you stall?Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-53669677831687297972017-05-15T12:52:28.996-04:002017-05-15T12:52:28.996-04:00Disbelieve is exploit, but 'costs' you no ...Disbelieve is exploit, but 'costs' you no mana and can pitch lands (and other non-creatures). It doesn't trigger revolt, but it does enable madness and discard-matters. Sounds fun. (And while discarding still isn't appealing to new players, they'll quickly see discarding excess land is great.)<br /><br />I'm not sure a set with cycling also needs disbelieve, but otherwise this feels perfect for Hour of Devastation. I suspect 7 life is too mch for Anh-Crop Doubter, but that's a Dev concern; the design is solid.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-67468266900378997332017-05-15T03:26:25.909-04:002017-05-15T03:26:25.909-04:00Could this somehow have an aftermath style frame? ...Could this somehow have an aftermath style frame? It would keep things clearer while it's in the graveyard.Axxlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15851646020554372862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-46240561996946881362017-05-15T03:19:37.798-04:002017-05-15T03:19:37.798-04:00When I first read this I thought it was an insanel...When I first read this I thought it was an insanely efficient reanimation spell. It reads so similar to embalm that I'm a bit worried new players would also read it that way and it would create a feel bad moment when they're corrected.Axxlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15851646020554372862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-36361662906065248912017-05-15T02:09:31.350-04:002017-05-15T02:09:31.350-04:00Putting on bottom of library would be somewhat les...Putting on bottom of library would be somewhat less dangerous for Constructed formats, but I like the idea of playing off the graveyard theme.lpaulsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07772860908442278112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-40014735824856172182017-05-14T01:38:50.568-04:002017-05-14T01:38:50.568-04:00Really pushing the idea (non-submission):
Sandswo...Really pushing the idea (non-submission):<br /><br />Sandsworn Deliverance 3U<br />Enchantment (r)<br />When a creature becomes tapped, its controller may exert it. If they do, they may scry X, where X is that creature’s power. (An exerted creature won’t untap during its next untap step.)<br />3U: Tap target creature.<br />Pasteurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02058331124653341978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-48659418590065149242017-05-13T16:38:37.157-04:002017-05-13T16:38:37.157-04:00Playing off Bolas's "genius" side:
...Playing off Bolas's "genius" side:<br /><br />Bolas's Disdain 1UU<br />Instant<br />Counter target spell.<br />Spellcycling 2 (2, discard this card: reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a nonland card. Put that card into your hand. Put the other revealed cards into your graveyard.)lpaulsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07772860908442278112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-27510353234659790672017-05-13T11:10:02.723-04:002017-05-13T11:10:02.723-04:00Yeah, this is pretty sweet.Yeah, this is pretty sweet.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15941977219304581236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-51692542247065517002017-05-13T11:09:19.254-04:002017-05-13T11:09:19.254-04:00In the current set it does, but I was concerned ab...In the current set it does, but I was concerned about Delve, Ingest, etc. Probably if the effects aren't super swingy you could make it 2. Note that it is global, so once it's on, it's on for everyone, and due to the nature of Exile, it's likely on for good. That's what I thought made it a little unique and different from normal threshold mechanicsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15941977219304581236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-77733146492805073202017-05-13T05:23:48.595-04:002017-05-13T05:23:48.595-04:00I quite like this take on exert as well. It feels ...I quite like this take on exert as well. It feels a lot like exploit (tempo wise), which feels like a very Nicol Bolas mechanicZachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14318011531403551812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-60294392277584933442017-05-13T00:34:02.296-04:002017-05-13T00:34:02.296-04:00My Melvin side is singing with joy.My Melvin side is singing with joy.Jenesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356037137564501914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-72363179132680897502017-05-12T23:34:09.111-04:002017-05-12T23:34:09.111-04:00Five cards in exile takes a lot of work, maybe two...Five cards in exile takes a lot of work, maybe two cards?Wobbleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11494097707732649864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-67524133686872266092017-05-12T21:42:30.995-04:002017-05-12T21:42:30.995-04:00Hmm.. cycling and embalm are too hard to replace. ...Hmm.. cycling and embalm are too hard to replace. From story, cartouches didn't seem like something you want to have on you. Maybe cartouches for your opponent's creatures? <br /><br />Cartouche of Weakness 2G<br />Enchantment - Aura (C)<br />Enchant creature an opponent controls.<br />When CARDNAME enters the battlefield, you may have enchanted creature fight target creature you control.<br />Enchanted creature gets -1/-1.<br /><br />Could continue the cycle:<br /><br />Cartouche of Lethargy 1B<br />Enchantment - Aura<br />Enchant creature an opponent controls.<br />When CARDNAME enters the battlefield, you gain life equal to enchanted creature's power.<br />Whenever enchanted creature deals damage, its controller loses that much life.<br /><br />Or maybe go splashier with a one-off?<br /><br />Cartouche of Dominance 5UU<br />Enchantment - Aura (M)<br />When CARDNAME enters the battlefield, gain control of all enchanted creatures.Zachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14318011531403551812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-55044582707394340242017-05-12T19:08:38.423-04:002017-05-12T19:08:38.423-04:00Scarab-Hewn Sufferer 2B
Creature - Zombie (u)
You ...Scarab-Hewn Sufferer 2B<br />Creature - Zombie (u)<br />You may tap and exert ~ as it enters the battlefield. When you do, destroy target tapped creature.<br />2/3Pasteurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02058331124653341978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-48896090715387444362017-05-12T16:59:20.419-04:002017-05-12T16:59:20.419-04:00I love Wonder style graveyard cards, although I wo...I love Wonder style graveyard cards, although I would be concerned about doing more than another cycle because having too many abilities in the graveyard makes the board very confusing.Wobbleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11494097707732649864noreply@blogger.com