tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post5944127644703765007..comments2024-03-11T02:32:15.295-04:00Comments on Goblin Artisans: Weekend [Art] Design Challenge—070414Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger91125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-86111721598021522822014-07-09T12:18:30.492-04:002014-07-09T12:18:30.492-04:00A little late to the party, but I'll just post...A little late to the party, but I'll just post a design that I cooked up a while back, for the sake of discussion:<br /><br />Last-Land<br />Land (Rare)<br />When CARDNAME enters the battlefield, reveal your hand and discard all land cards from it.<br />T: Add C or D to your mana pool.lpaulsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07772860908442278112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-49281390719500596652014-07-08T13:53:00.329-04:002014-07-08T13:53:00.329-04:00If "Whenever you attack with one or more crea...If "Whenever you attack with one or more creatures..." is valid, than players do attack [with creatures].Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-46322000631110376402014-07-08T13:51:52.408-04:002014-07-08T13:51:52.408-04:00Oof. A pair of these is misery. "Other lands ...Oof. A pair of these is misery. "Other lands you control ETB tapped" would be easier. (Again, except for decks that want to replay lands a lot)Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-74092273187672767212014-07-08T10:06:19.288-04:002014-07-08T10:06:19.288-04:00I didn't see Tigt's, but looking at it, I ...I didn't see Tigt's, but looking at it, I presume he meant the exact same card and got the templating wrong. I did originally.<br /><br />Ben – thanks for the template fix. <br /><br />Jay – It can't be "whenever you attack" because players don't attack players. Creatures attack players. This templating talk brought to you by the NCA, the National Creatures Association.Basshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14796834860620921124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-16106219029509536212014-07-07T22:35:23.631-04:002014-07-07T22:35:23.631-04:00Yeah, definitely too punishing. Here's another...Yeah, definitely too punishing. Here's another take, less elegant, but hopefully plays better:<br /><br />Lush Homeland<br />Land (R)<br />Whenever another land enters the battlefield under your control, return CARDNAME to its owner's hand unless you pay {1}.<br />{T}: Add {G} or {U} to your mana pool.Juleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13784920130399590671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-29122324050039718222014-07-07T21:30:36.658-04:002014-07-07T21:30:36.658-04:00In the long run, this is probably the only thing t...In the long run, this is probably the only thing that can help save Legacy. Because of their interactions with fetchlands, these are the only viable alternative to the original duals without coming at a significant cost to the player base. Especially at rare, these prices would go down over time while not unduly burdening standard with overly powerful fixing.Wobbleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11494097707732649864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-47853703719014698532014-07-07T19:07:07.676-04:002014-07-07T19:07:07.676-04:00It's definitely quite strong. I mean, it's...It's definitely quite strong. I mean, it's not hard to imagine players wanting this over a nonbasic dual with no restrictions, but those players are running aggro and not control, so if it's printable, it's right on the nose.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-66688430383592567412014-07-07T18:30:29.264-04:002014-07-07T18:30:29.264-04:00This is a little late, but how about a twist on Ge...This is a little late, but how about a twist on Gemstone Mine:<br /><br />Rakdos Quarry:<br /><br />{T}: Add {B} or {R} to your mana pool, and put an Tunnel counter on Rakdos Quarry. Then if Rakdos Quarry has 2 or more Tunnel counters on it, sacrifice it and draw a card.<br /><br />This land is good (perhaps too good) for any deck that wants to operate on 1-2 lands. Using a land drop for a land that will only activate twice is a real cost for any deck that wants to eventually cast expensive spells.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01750001933150335655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-90973860491310855622014-07-07T15:43:16.215-04:002014-07-07T15:43:16.215-04:00Cool. See http://goblinartisans.blogspot.com/2014/...Cool. See http://goblinartisans.blogspot.com/2014/07/weekend-art-design-challenge070414.html?showComment=1404526985249#c2124686163287507145Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-42531806701866594492014-07-07T15:11:39.440-04:002014-07-07T15:11:39.440-04:00Barren Grassland
Land (R)
CARDNAME enters the batt...Barren Grassland<br />Land (R)<br />CARDNAME enters the battlefield tapped. When it does, add G or W to your mana pool.<br />T: add 1 to your mana pool.<br /><br />Fixes mana the turn you play it, but not after that. James Bartolottihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14429344295256063879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-11930526414077017462014-07-07T13:33:41.705-04:002014-07-07T13:33:41.705-04:00Shock Land
Land (rare)
When ~ ETB, lose 2 life.
T:...Shock Land<br />Land (rare)<br />When ~ ETB, lose 2 life.<br />T: Add C or D.<br /><br />It's strictly worse than the Ravnica shock lands in two ways, but it's still quite functional for an aggro deck.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-91241461468558784332014-07-07T13:31:06.769-04:002014-07-07T13:31:06.769-04:00Found this old CCDD that applies.Found this old <a href="http://goblinartisans.blogspot.com/2013/03/ccdd-032213heart-of-taiga.html" rel="nofollow">CCDD</a> that applies.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-28432433942921152772014-07-07T13:30:19.511-04:002014-07-07T13:30:19.511-04:00This is much more direct. Basically, it's free...This is much more direct. Basically, it's free to use on your turn, but you have to pay a life to keep it open to use on your opponent's turns. Definitely the best design of your three.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-42813301940689117782014-07-07T13:29:01.705-04:002014-07-07T13:29:01.705-04:00Why wouldn't you just always tap the Hot Sprin...Why wouldn't you just always tap the Hot Springs before you play another land? You can do that before or after combat, so the only real cost is that you can't use this for mana on other player's turns when you also played another land.<br /><br />Don't worry about that last criteria, it was the least important of them.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-75476877463340778742014-07-07T13:27:15.332-04:002014-07-07T13:27:15.332-04:00This is VERY powerful. 2 (of the right kind of) ma...This is VERY powerful. 2 (of the right kind of) mana on turn 1, three on turn 2 if you play a regular land, or 4 if you play another Terraced Farm. Those will put you back for future turns, of course, but for certain decks it'll be more than worth it.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-67464191251574392942014-07-07T12:59:04.377-04:002014-07-07T12:59:04.377-04:00Although it's awful frustrating that if you wa...Although it's awful frustrating that if you want/need to keep the land, you not only have to discard, but you're giving up the chance to draw a card (since lands don't die normally).Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-1302775449213131712014-07-07T12:57:20.251-04:002014-07-07T12:57:20.251-04:00Free-cycling is awfully good, but I like how that ...Free-cycling is awfully good, but I like how that offsets and plays into the cost. A safer tweak:<br /><br />Hallowed Graves (Rare)<br />Land<br />When Hallowed Graves enters the battlefield, sacrifice it unless you discard a white and/or black card.<br />T: Add W or B to your mana pool.<br />When Hallowed Graves leaves the battlefield, you may pay WB. If you do, draw a card.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-30180936122116443252014-07-07T12:51:59.958-04:002014-07-07T12:51:59.958-04:00It's definitely unappealing in a vacuum, but I...It's definitely unappealing in a vacuum, but I can't deny it would be amazing in a block that heavily emphasizes madness. Given that dual lands are often a significant factor in a set's appeal, and that we need new players to understand the value of them and use them to improve their decks, something that looks terrible—even if it's still quite good (and this would still be good even it it always ETB tapped, just not for aggro)—may not be the ideal answer.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-29886519991817995232014-07-07T12:44:12.586-04:002014-07-07T12:44:12.586-04:00I wonder if it could be just "Whenever you at...I wonder if it could be just "Whenever you attack?"<br /><br />Yeah, this is good. Exactly where I wanted Tigt's version to go.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-66818558596939837932014-07-07T12:38:31.292-04:002014-07-07T12:38:31.292-04:00While running 4 of each allied variety in every mo...While running 4 of each allied variety in every mono-colored deck isn't a huge boost (until you factor in fetches), it also comes at literally no game cost. It's not hard to imagine every deck in Modern and Legacy running 4-7 different members of this cycle automatically. Is that a good thing? Sounds like it's good for sales, but will it piss players off to acquire them? Only needing 1 of which will keep them cheaper than normal duals, but every deck wanting them will counteract that (IDK how much).<br /><br />Interesting, exciting and super elegant, at least.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-89072285925158169222014-07-07T12:32:19.041-04:002014-07-07T12:32:19.041-04:00I'm concerned about the challenge of rememberi...I'm concerned about the challenge of remembering exactly what card was revealed / what combination of creatures types it had.<br /><br />I'd suggest "Add G or W to your mana pool. Spend this mana only to cast a spell that shares a creature type with a creature you control" but that doesn't help you with your first creature. Hmm.<br /><br />Maybe:<br /><br />T: Add 1.<br />T, Reveal a [creature] card from your hand: Add G or W. Spend it only on creature cards other than the revealed card.<br /><br />?Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-7182338917714263572014-07-07T12:28:34.614-04:002014-07-07T12:28:34.614-04:00It's a little unfortunate this uses the old &q...It's a little unfortunate this uses the old "deals damage to you" as an effect rather than the new "lose life" as a cost, but you'd have to break it into two abilities for that and I think this is just cleaner.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-55070420026943746732014-07-07T12:27:19.392-04:002014-07-07T12:27:19.392-04:00Again, I like the core concept of rewarding aggro ...Again, I like the core concept of rewarding aggro play, and this one does it more subtly than Tigt's (not that subtly is always better or worse).<br /><br />If we ditched the first ability, could we drop the second to 1 life? That appeals to me.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-19233446028163768692014-07-07T12:24:55.445-04:002014-07-07T12:24:55.445-04:00Big cost with a big pay-off. This is definitely fo...Big cost with a big pay-off. This is definitely for the aggro player who's focused on doing his own thing as fast and consistently as possible, irrespective of the opponent. The control player would never give her opponent a free card, particularly not one of her choice.<br /><br />My main concern is that aggro players enjoy capitalizing on mana light opponents and this would forego that possibility.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-73162534527700400512014-07-07T12:24:37.231-04:002014-07-07T12:24:37.231-04:00Updated templating from Military Intelligence:
&q...Updated templating from Military Intelligence:<br /><br />"Whenever you attack with one or more creatures..."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11393054869276886509noreply@blogger.com