tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post6505473415366508562..comments2024-03-11T02:32:15.295-04:00Comments on Goblin Artisans: CCDD 031615—Solemnite, etcUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-47927943649183479242015-03-17T17:57:15.487-04:002015-03-17T17:57:15.487-04:00s'goods'goodJay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-86988215906319291092015-03-17T17:02:26.012-04:002015-03-17T17:02:26.012-04:00Cycles with keywords are always lopsided in really...Cycles with keywords are always lopsided in really unfun ways. Look at the Runemarks: for the sake of having a cycle they made four totally unplayable cards. Tommy Occhipintihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13495646355536064735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-21746155563470267782015-03-17T17:01:22.469-04:002015-03-17T17:01:22.469-04:00Rakdos Lens {1}
Artifact - (C)
{1}, {T}: Add {B} ...Rakdos Lens {1}<br />Artifact - (C)<br /><br />{1}, {T}: Add {B} or {R} to your mana pool.<br /><br />{B}{R}, T, Sac ~: Target creature gets +2/-2 until the end of the turn.Tommy Occhipintihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13495646355536064735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-32750948934226678432015-03-17T16:05:39.022-04:002015-03-17T16:05:39.022-04:00Lots of really good interesting discussion here.
...Lots of really good interesting discussion here.<br /><br />What if they just gave keywords for a turn?<br /><br />WU - flying<br />UB - intimidate (or can't be blocked)<br />BR - first strike (or haste)<br />RG - trample<br />GW - vigilanceAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11393054869276886509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-14918817482566590722015-03-17T15:58:45.298-04:002015-03-17T15:58:45.298-04:00The RB one could even just be +2/+0. Yes it looks ...The RB one could even just be +2/+0. Yes it looks bad compared to the G members of the cycle, but I don't think that makes it unprintable.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11393054869276886509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-83564267160419942712015-03-17T11:13:29.169-04:002015-03-17T11:13:29.169-04:00Thanks.
Oh, tho' I should add the caveat that...Thanks.<br /><br />Oh, tho' I should add the caveat that wizards are trying to have less library-searching on utility cards, so that's a drawback of the search approach. I wonder if there's any way of getting similar turn-restrictions without it, without making the mana ability "3, T: Add WWUU" :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-88176477346630694602015-03-17T10:59:12.855-04:002015-03-17T10:59:12.855-04:00It certainly has appeal.
It also reminds me that ...It certainly has appeal.<br /><br />It also reminds me that {2U}{2B} is much closer to a colorless cost (with a potential discount) than an actual colored cost.<br />It's much easier to argue that you can have a mana rock for {2U}{2B} than for {U}{B}.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-83932462899323535662015-03-17T10:56:18.823-04:002015-03-17T10:56:18.823-04:00A is still pretty weird. B isn't bad at all.A is still pretty weird. B isn't bad at all.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-74871625209431239472015-03-17T10:54:22.737-04:002015-03-17T10:54:22.737-04:00That's a good point. The acceleration isn'...That's a good point. The acceleration isn't what drew me to design these at all; it's the fixing that they really do for the environment. Designing…Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-62084860155564199992015-03-17T10:43:51.716-04:002015-03-17T10:43:51.716-04:00Can we just see twobrid diamonds? I wouldn't w...Can we just see twobrid diamonds? I wouldn't want them any cheaper or stronger than this, but it doesn't feel <i>so</i> out of line like this.<br /><br />Darkwater Diamond {2U}{2B}<br />Artifact<br />~ enters the battlefield tapped.<br />T: Add U or B to your mana pool.<br /><br />Mossfire Diamond {2R}{2G}<br />Artifact<br />~ enters the battlefield tapped.<br />T: Add R or G to your mana poolPasteurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02058331124653341978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-30468198734815820752015-03-17T10:18:17.008-04:002015-03-17T10:18:17.008-04:00More generally speaking, I'm a fan of the Mete...More generally speaking, I'm a fan of the Meteorite model of tacking ETB abilities onto otherwise overcosted mana rocks. Cheap ramp is a dangerous thing to play with, especially outside of green.HavelockVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12698268009797139251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-12299163446395533922015-03-17T09:56:39.832-04:002015-03-17T09:56:39.832-04:00I liked the idea of a one-off mana production to o...I liked the idea of a one-off mana production to offset the tempo set-back, but agreed it looked odd alongside a mana ability.<br /><br />I wonder, if you could have something like:<br /><br />3 Azorius Fetchstone A<br />T, Sacrifice CARDNAME: Search your library for a plains or island card and put it onto the battlefield tapped. Add UW to your mana pool.<br /><br />That gives you something to do on turn 3. Or:<br /><br />2 Azorius Fetchstone B<br />1, T, Sacrifice CARDNAME: Search your library for a plains or island card and put it onto the battlefield.<br /><br />That uses up turn 2, but gives you a normal turn 3 with fixing and an accelerated turn 4.<br /><br />Or maybe some other relevant effect instead of getting the mana back on Azorius Fetchstone B.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-69119764148846123392015-03-17T09:16:17.862-04:002015-03-17T09:16:17.862-04:00A 1/1 token is a great bonus on a {3}-cost mana ro...A 1/1 token is a great bonus on a {3}-cost mana rock. It can chump block if you're behind, it'll usually be useful later on if you don't have to, it can trade with a 3/1 attacker if need be, but it's not a huge boon in most cases. (You'd need to be careful of allowing it in a set with something like Batallion where a certain critical count of creatures exists.)<br /><br />The life gain is fine, and will probably be printed before the token makers, but I think it's something of a trap: 2 life isn't enough to make up for the tempo loss in almost all cases.AlexChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05674122775216494431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-77601727549418824382015-03-17T09:15:40.579-04:002015-03-17T09:15:40.579-04:00As a player of W/U Tron in Modern, I can say that ...As a player of W/U Tron in Modern, I can say that I love having access to Talisman of Progress and Azorius Signet for mana acceleration. But as a designer, I agree that giving W/U a mana rock as part of a cycle isn't something I'd want to do. Especially ones that come into play untapped and ready to provide mana. The hybrid design is clever though.Nich Graysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08686832423418814443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-23066966006877437322015-03-17T09:12:57.336-04:002015-03-17T09:12:57.336-04:00I agree with Jack. In the right set, any monocolou...I agree with Jack. In the right set, any monocolour card could search for its own basic land type; but I think it'd be rather out-of-pie to have a white creature tap for {W}, or even a black creature tap for {B} without charging life for it. Exuberant Firestoker and Sunseed Nurturer were significant colour bleeds in my opinion (and I'm sure it's deliberate that they were also awful cards).<br /><br />I think I'd say "mana rock costing 1CD that taps for C or D" is okay, though I agree it's a definitely fuzzy area with room for disagreement.<br /><br />I definitely think the twobrid cycle is nifty and the other effects are a complication too far.AlexChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05674122775216494431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-65825028843090949532015-03-17T09:05:06.815-04:002015-03-17T09:05:06.815-04:00I like the token and the life gain.
Getting the ma...I like the token and the life gain.<br />Getting the mana certainly reduces your commitment, but EtBT with that looks so strange.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-78307491867534056972015-03-17T06:10:05.790-04:002015-03-17T06:10:05.790-04:00I'm inclined to say "non-creature taps fo...I'm inclined to say "non-creature taps for mana" like borderposts and "search for basic land" like Kor Cartographer are both in-colour (but subject to the no-mana-rocks-at-2-cost restriction, tho' I take the argument wizards has never explicitly said that's not ok)<br /><br />Whereas "creature taps for mana" or "mana rock with significant affect" to me feel out of colour (regardless of cost).<br /><br />But the boundary has never been perfectly clear, it's reasonable to disagree where the line is drawn!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-80186911150460347742015-03-17T06:01:40.038-04:002015-03-17T06:01:40.038-04:00I like this. Also, to solve the tempo problem with...I like this. Also, to solve the tempo problem with very simple effects, I thought of these:<br /><br />Mana Rock 1 {3}<br />Add {W} or {U} to your mana pool.<br />When CARDNAME enters the battlefield, you gain 2 life.<br /><br />Or:<br /><br />Mana Rock 2 {3}<br />CARDNAME enters the battlefield tapped.<br />Add {W} or {U} to your mana pool.<br />When CARDNAME enters the battlefield, add {W}{U} to your mana pool.P for Pizzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05000340281390449308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-39237359476546981772015-03-17T06:00:20.118-04:002015-03-17T06:00:20.118-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.P for Pizzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05000340281390449308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-70993303194532392272015-03-17T01:34:36.458-04:002015-03-17T01:34:36.458-04:00Is making a 1/1 token something that would be reas...Is making a 1/1 token something that would be reasonable for the entire cycle?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17647677781801914930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-55473058361432232052015-03-16T22:11:36.191-04:002015-03-16T22:11:36.191-04:00Where's the differnce between the Cluestones a...Where's the differnce between the Cluestones and the Banners? Are you talking about the Keyrunes?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08835459710709023309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-67005208443245128192015-03-16T17:39:13.648-04:002015-03-16T17:39:13.648-04:00They have made a clear delineation between fetchin...They have made a clear delineation between fetching plains and tapping for White mana. I think the ramp part of Kor Cartographer was a small bleed to fit in to the land set (and double trigger landfall). Also, worth noting, Zendikar was 6 years ago, and White hasn't searched up a Plains since. <br /><br />I'll be surprised if we don't see some sort of homage to Kor Cartographer in Battle for Zendikar, but I think it is more White adjacent than actually White. I recall now that at some point Mark mentioned it started out as a cycle, one in each color, but they needed to cut the other four for room. So at least at that time, they felt colors could, at a very low power level, fetch their own land type into play. <br /><br />This whole discussion makes me think we want something with Forestcycling {2/G}. Tommy Occhipintihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13495646355536064735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-87053395139423122652015-03-16T17:36:05.192-04:002015-03-16T17:36:05.192-04:00Thanks! I hope I wasn't overly negative, as I ...Thanks! I hope I wasn't overly negative, as I say, I _do_ like them.<br /><br />I also think, it would be nice if the effects were something symmetrical so it was a lot easier to remember, and you didn't have to wonder if some were worth playing and some weren't. But also, it would be nice if they played at least somewhat differently.<br /><br />I think even P/T effects are too varied, but maybe, an effect that grants an on-colour keyword (maybe only to on-colour creatures), either once or repeatably? Or "reveal the top N cards of your library, you may put a C or D card from them into your hand, and the rest into your graveyard", so they work better in an on-colour deck, but aren't completely useless in a splash.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-20970449113427830572015-03-16T17:07:47.556-04:002015-03-16T17:07:47.556-04:00Make your {3}{W} creature 2/2, and name it Kor Car...Make your {3}{W} creature 2/2, and name it Kor Cartographer.<br /><br />http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?text=+[search]+[plains]&color=|[W]Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-36937704842149435822015-03-16T16:57:19.302-04:002015-03-16T16:57:19.302-04:00(Let's try this with mana symbols, apologies i...(Let's try this with mana symbols, apologies if it comes out a mess, but I've been here long enough I should do it right!)<br /><br />Ahh, I think we've found the root cause of our disagreement here: "all colors can produce mana in general, and mana of their own color." I don't think this is true. Green can. Black at least used to be able to (maybe tertiarilly). Red can temporarily. Blue mostly only makes colorless or very specific. I don't think White can at all. For example, I think a {3}{W} 1/3 with "{T}: Add {W} to your mana pool." is right out.<br /><br />If White mana stone is okay, I think White mana creature is okay, but I don't think it is. Again, artifacts can do it (see Myr) but I don't think you can print Gold Myr at {1}{W}. Tommy Occhipintihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13495646355536064735noreply@blogger.com