tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post2179136638071582403..comments2024-03-11T02:32:15.295-04:00Comments on Goblin Artisans: Weekend Art Challenge Review 121914—Syst-eeemUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-66218356324287131522014-12-30T11:41:03.538-05:002014-12-30T11:41:03.538-05:00I think 1R is probably fine, somehow I thought of ...I think 1R is probably fine, somehow I thought of R and RR and didn't think of 1R. Tommy Occhipintihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13495646355536064735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-44600687248626601052014-12-30T11:09:05.974-05:002014-12-30T11:09:05.974-05:00It was more development than design, yeah.It was more development than design, yeah.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-23668236363619961222014-12-30T11:02:22.942-05:002014-12-30T11:02:22.942-05:00Make it {1}{R} to cycle and I dig it.Make it {1}{R} to cycle and I dig it.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-45483428164980405642014-12-29T15:17:19.645-05:002014-12-29T15:17:19.645-05:00I didn't realize when I said it how similar th...I didn't realize when I said it how similar this was to Jay's proposal, which I liked, and the forgot about. There is the slight concern that these might be too good in Storm in modern, and not good enough to play in any deck in Limited. Tommy Occhipintihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13495646355536064735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-86093853769351385532014-12-29T15:15:31.682-05:002014-12-29T15:15:31.682-05:00I don't actually mind it being easy to trigger...I don't actually mind it being easy to trigger prowess, after all, they printed Defiant Strike, and artifacts can only trigger it at sorcery speed.<br /><br />I wonder how awful this is:<br /><br />Red Lens 0<br />Artifact<br />1, T: Add R to your mana pool. <br />R, Tap, Sac: Draw a card.<br /><br />I bet it wouldn't lead to 5 color decks!Tommy Occhipintihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13495646355536064735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-29483161709549991242014-12-29T14:29:01.845-05:002014-12-29T14:29:01.845-05:00Yeah, I don't have handy any super insightful ...Yeah, I don't have handy any super insightful write ups about it from a developer, which is what would be ideal.<br /><br />This whole challenge was more of a development challenge than a design challenge, though I don't think that is a bad thing, it generated some of the most interesting discussion I've seen.Tommy Occhipintihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13495646355536064735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-26804333376425253932014-12-29T12:36:36.665-05:002014-12-29T12:36:36.665-05:00Having found the post with the link, I find the co...Having found the post with the link, I find the conversation around it much more informative than the link itself:<br /><a href="http://goblinartisans.blogspot.com/2014/12/weekend-art-challenge-121914syst-eeem.html?showComment=1419024996657#c6175720284413812746" rel="nofollow">http://goblinartisans.blogspot.com/2014/12/weekend-art-challenge-121914syst-eeem.html?showComment=1419024996657#c6175720284413812746</a>Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-78728955187206320202014-12-29T11:33:11.071-05:002014-12-29T11:33:11.071-05:00I posted a link to Mark Rosewater saying it in the...I posted a link to Mark Rosewater saying it in the challenge. I recommend googling it, as it has come up on blogatog over and over, and each time Mark mentions it a slightly different point gets made. These were my two biggest takeaways when I reread them before this challenge:<br /><br />-) This takes too much away from Green, as Rampant Growth is a strong Standard defining card when it is around, and these cards are nearly as strong.<br /><br />-) Having a whole cycle of them makes people able to play more of them than development is comfortable with. Mark has suggested before that perhaps it would be okay to have one of them in standard, either colorless or Green. Tommy Occhipintihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13495646355536064735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-79607247655038681192014-12-29T10:04:51.662-05:002014-12-29T10:04:51.662-05:00Anybody happen to have a link to the R&D menti...Anybody happen to have a link to the R&D mention of what mana rocks are too strong? I don't doubt it, but would love to read more.<br /><br />The Signets are completely bonkers.<br /><br />I don't think Manalith is junk. Granted, I wouldn't play it with 0-2 morphs, but I often have 4+ and I'd happily play it then if I were low on fixing or had a high curve (which I probably do because of those morphs).Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-53258970698651797722014-12-29T09:58:40.582-05:002014-12-29T09:58:40.582-05:00I didn't think of that. Definitely a reason to...I didn't think of that. Definitely a reason to shy away from the 0 and 1 cost versions.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-33975478184411654262014-12-29T01:42:25.892-05:002014-12-29T01:42:25.892-05:00I think a good way to go would be to make somethin...I think a good way to go would be to make something that only fixed one color at 3 mana and still was okay on tempo, like the proposed (but unfortunately not shown here) 3 mana 2/2 that taps for C. <br /><br />A lot of the proposals fall over the Fire Diamond line, and development (I think rightfully) considers a cycle of Fire Diamonds too strong. It is an unfortunately narrow band between Fire Diamond and Manalith (which is basically junk). <br /><br />The danger of plentiful 2 cost mana rocks is highlighted well in this years Holiday Cube. This year's includes the signets, and indeed watching the pros draft, they are often first picks, entirely shaping the environment around themselves [something many players have been complaining about]. Note it isn't the color fixing part that is doing this, as people are playing half off-color signets all the time, it is just the power of dumping a bunch of them in play quickly. Tommy Occhipintihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13495646355536064735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-13335869732733340332014-12-28T23:30:22.192-05:002014-12-28T23:30:22.192-05:00Something interesting to note with the cheaper car...Something interesting to note with the cheaper cards proposed for this challenge is that it can make prowess often be easier to trigger.<br />I wonder how much consideration that WotC weighed the prowess factor for as a reason to potentially not have a design like Jeskai Prism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com