tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post5143256942420873103..comments2024-03-11T02:32:15.295-04:00Comments on Goblin Artisans: Weekend Art Challenge 032015—xiaobotongUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger100125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-30538005049093793322015-03-23T17:22:52.748-04:002015-03-23T17:22:52.748-04:00Yeah, you convinced me. Original post is fine as i...Yeah, you convinced me. Original post is fine as isAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14773403569389449877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-17961974297985309022015-03-23T16:01:18.936-04:002015-03-23T16:01:18.936-04:00Those cards all use that phrase - but not as a tri...Those cards all use that phrase - but not as a trigger condition. Trigger conditions have to use the words "when", "whenever" or "at". "At the beginning of" is most conventional; "At the end of" only appears on old silver-bordered cards that haven't got errata. Sadly "at the beginning of the combat damage step" doesn't work either because that'd be <i>after</i> combat damage was dealt!<br /><br />I do definitely see R Stech's point about kitchen table players - "at the end of the declare blockers step" is much more intuitively "after blockers" than any other phrasing. I can't find an ideal phrasing that also works in the rules...AlexChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05674122775216494431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-61572059512738914422015-03-23T15:17:02.411-04:002015-03-23T15:17:02.411-04:00After blockers are declared is a perfectly accepta...After blockers are declared is a perfectly acceptable time for a trigger to occur. Aleatory, Chaotic Strike, Curtain of Light, Flash Foliage and Trap Runner all use the term "after blockers are declared. You could also just go with "At the beginning of the combat damage step," although that wording has never been used before.Nich Graysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08686832423418814443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-69806773610040859272015-03-23T14:27:13.610-04:002015-03-23T14:27:13.610-04:00"After blockers are declared" is exactly..."After blockers are declared" is exactly the wording of the trigger I was looking for and had somehow convinced myself didn't exist.<br /><br />AlexC - does that wording work under the current rules?<br /><br />Inscrutable Warlord<br />1WB<br />Creature - Human Knight - Mythic Rare<br />Whenever Inscrutable Warlord attacks, secretly choose good or evil. After blockers are declared, reveal your choice.<br />* Good - Inscrutable Warlord gains lifelink and "whenever this damages a player, put that many 1/1 white Soldier creature tokens onto the battlefield" until end of turn.<br />* Evil - Inscrutable Warlord gains first strike and deathtouch until end of turn.<br />2/2Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15941977219304581236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-78166134188756394952015-03-23T13:02:19.294-04:002015-03-23T13:02:19.294-04:00Would you rather it cost 3UWW? I could also see t...Would you rather it cost 3UWW? I could also see this being Green/White, but the picture screamed Blue/White so I went that way. Usual mythic design seems to want to put as many keywords as possible on, so I could see giving this thing itself "Flash" to reduce the window to get robbed of the creatures you exiled. Okay, we'll do this:<br /><br />Mist Covered General 3UWW<br />Creature - Human Soldier (M)<br /><br />Vigilance, Flash<br /><br />When ~ enters the battlefield, exile the top four cards of your deck face down. You may look at these cards.<br /><br />You may play creatures exiled with ~ as though they had flash.<br /><br />4/4Tommy Occhipintihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13495646355536064735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-38054855920362135762015-03-23T12:51:41.246-04:002015-03-23T12:51:41.246-04:00I think this (awesome) design is playing around in...I think this (awesome) design is playing around in some space that is a lot more dangerous than it looks. Remember that Pentad Prism sees play in cubes, essentially for its ability to ramp you by 2 on a later turn. <br /><br />A whole mechanic based around this can lead to some pretty gross later turns. I like it (and it might be my favorite of the designs this week) but it scares me!Tommy Occhipintihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13495646355536064735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-15243491268918674342015-03-23T12:47:40.479-04:002015-03-23T12:47:40.479-04:00If your commander is face down, can you cast it no...If your commander is face down, can you cast it normally? This design has some promise, but it is not captured in the entry. <br /><br />I may be wrong, but I suspect most Commander players play with the same people on a regular basis. If that is the case, I don't see this being that useful an ability, since people will know once they've seen a land or two what your deck is.Tommy Occhipintihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13495646355536064735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-68542036980032830282015-03-23T10:52:24.285-04:002015-03-23T10:52:24.285-04:00Can't you use the anchor word tech from Fate R...Can't you use the anchor word tech from Fate Reforged's Siege cycle?<br /><br />Inscrutable Warlord (MYTHIC) 1WB<br />Creature - Human Knight 2/2<br />Whenever Inscrutable Warlord attacks, secretly choose mercy or no mercy. After blockers are declared, reveal your choice.<br />* Mercy - Inscrutable Warlord gains lifelink until end of turn. Populate.<br />* No Mercy - Inscrutable Warlord gains first strike and deathtouch until end of turn.<br /><br />Populate isn't at all the same thing as getting tokens for sure, but I was trying to make space while preserving the idea of the effect.Nich Graysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08686832423418814443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-41982033648432626182015-03-23T10:14:13.058-04:002015-03-23T10:14:13.058-04:00AlexC - if you're a kitchen table Magic player...AlexC - if you're a kitchen table Magic player, does "beginning of declare blockers" mean before or after you declare blockers?<br /><br />On the other hand, the vast majority of players will answer the question "is the end of declare blockers before or after you declare blockers" correctly.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15941977219304581236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-73780571332321371992015-03-23T09:18:57.481-04:002015-03-23T09:18:57.481-04:00I'm a big fan of this card, particularly becau...I'm a big fan of this card, particularly because it is so swingy. I love the idea of playing in similar space as Sneak Attack and Show and Tell, but in a way that lets your opponent interact. 3/1 for 1R is also great stats for this ability. It's powerful enough and fast enough to make blocking it attractive, but easy to trade with, when it doesn't swap into a different creature. Nicely done!Nich Graysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08686832423418814443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-13355735490314741772015-03-23T09:06:17.807-04:002015-03-23T09:06:17.807-04:00It's more likely that we'd see Commanders ...It's more likely that we'd see Commanders with a mechanic on them that says "You may start the game with this creature face down in the command zone." There would need to be 2 or 3 legendary creatures with the keyword though to allow for some mystery. Or commander auras, maybe?<br /><br />Hidden Throne<br />Enchantment - Aura<br />Enchant commander<br />You may start the game with Hidden Throne attached to your commander. It remains attached to your commander as it moves to any zone other than a player's hand or library.<br />Enchanted commander starts the game face down in the command zone. Reveal it when it is cast.Nich Graysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08686832423418814443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-55746259940077378722015-03-23T09:04:02.145-04:002015-03-23T09:04:02.145-04:00Why at the *end* of declare blockers? It's sti...Why at the *end* of declare blockers? It's still going to give players priority after the ability resolves but before combat damage, so I don't see there's any benefit over the more usual "beginning" template. In fact, what does that even mean? It goes on the stack once you're in the declare blockers step and the stack is empty? But that's the beginning of declare blockers...AlexChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05674122775216494431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-88447138888710063082015-03-23T09:02:48.814-04:002015-03-23T09:02:48.814-04:00Put it onto the battlefield tapped and attacking, ...Put it onto the battlefield tapped and attacking, maybe?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15941977219304581236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-85084160072240009622015-03-23T08:57:43.375-04:002015-03-23T08:57:43.375-04:00The thing that interests me most about this card i...The thing that interests me most about this card is how it makes you want to build a deck without Lightning Strike and Roast, and with Kindled Fury and Become Immense.<br /><br />As for the wording, if you want a once per turn limit, why not an attack trigger? I also think you could get away with only mentioning an instant or sorcery that could target Edo once, if you put it in the conditions to cast the spell.<br /><br />Edo, the Elusive Fox 2R<br />Legendary Creature - Fox Rogue 3/3<br />Whenever Edo the Elusive Fox attacks, you may pay 2R. If you do, reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal an instant or sorcery card. You may cast the instant or sorcery targeting Edo without paying its mana cost. Then put the revealed cards on the bottom of your library in a random order.Nich Graysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08686832423418814443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-4675294387465594782015-03-23T08:56:32.076-04:002015-03-23T08:56:32.076-04:00Axxle - great point.
Jenesis - I'm not sure h...Axxle - great point.<br /><br />Jenesis - I'm not sure how else to make sure you don't skip the first strike damage step if you don't have any other first strikers in combat.<br /><br />Final edit:<br /><br />Inscrutable Warlord<br />1WB<br />Creature - Human Knight - Mythic Rare<br />Whenever Inscrutable Warlord deals combat damage to a player, put that many 1/1 white Soldier creature tokens onto the battlefield.<br />Whenever Inscrutable Warlord attacks, secretly choose Good or Evil. At the end of declare blockers, reveal your choice. If it is Evil, Inscrutable Warlord loses all abilities and gains first strike and deathtouch until end of turn.<br />2/2Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15941977219304581236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-56900328702080616352015-03-23T08:37:27.625-04:002015-03-23T08:37:27.625-04:00Reminds me of Kessig Cagebreakers. I don't see...Reminds me of Kessig Cagebreakers. I don't see the "mystery".AlexChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05674122775216494431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-20876543019831967542015-03-23T08:33:55.496-04:002015-03-23T08:33:55.496-04:00I believe the first idea you pitched sounds more l...I believe the first idea you pitched sounds more like what this card was intended to do. However, it is a lot of text and I'm not exactly sure if the complication is worth the card itself. TooManyPossumshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10147478519357563430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-2861488565049335922015-03-23T08:31:00.463-04:002015-03-23T08:31:00.463-04:00I'll do the renders this week (unless I missed...I'll do the renders this week (unless I missed someone else volunteering to do it).AlexChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05674122775216494431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-17869251157759281432015-03-23T08:30:23.342-04:002015-03-23T08:30:23.342-04:00How would this work? At the start of the (Commande...How would this work? At the start of the (Commander) game you declare "I have at least one card with Hidden Loyalty in my deck, therefore my commander is hidden", presumably. Hmm.<br /><br />Is this too good with Progenitus? Or other huge red legends like Dragonlord Atarka? Probably not by Commander standards, given the crazily powerful new cards they keep printing in the Commander precons, I guess :/AlexChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05674122775216494431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-61188813713308639892015-03-23T08:26:30.573-04:002015-03-23T08:26:30.573-04:00I agree this is fine in red (to the extent that I ...I agree this is fine in red (to the extent that I counted "changes controller based on some arbitrary trigger" as a "red" drawback in <a href="http://www.magicmultiverse.net/cards/42864" rel="nofollow">a recent design challenge</a>).AlexChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05674122775216494431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-62425721826624712802015-03-23T05:56:07.812-04:002015-03-23T05:56:07.812-04:00Depending on the world it could be either black or...Depending on the world it could be either black or red...A.Charantonishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14764287128554364197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-39421967766510023692015-03-23T05:26:23.064-04:002015-03-23T05:26:23.064-04:00The idea is that the creature gets the bonus alway...The idea is that the creature gets the bonus always after the opponent's choice of dealing with it (Damned if you do, damned if you don't).<br />The part in square brackets was just a thought, but I wans't very sure to add that. It is inelegant, even if it adds something to the flavor. But it was too much.<br />Finally, probably the best way to go is Axxle's activated ability (thanks!) and so be it.<br /><br />Erratic Warlord RR<br />Creature - Human Knight (M)<br />First strike<br />Reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a nonland card: CARDNAME gets +X/+0 until end of turn, where X is that card’s converted mana cost. Put all cards revealed this way on the bottom of your library in any order. Activate this ability only once each turn.<br />2/2P for Pizzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05000340281390449308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-79550038724783181732015-03-23T01:41:22.119-04:002015-03-23T01:41:22.119-04:00I think it's actually better as an uncommon or...I think it's actually better as an uncommon or rare. Random discard, even when you can control when it happens, is enough of a feel bad when it goes wrong that it's probably not something you want to have happen all of the time in limited. Also, at higher rarity, I think you can be a bit more generous with the stats, which makes the card more attractive to get back in the late game.Wobbleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11494097707732649864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-17527046794906930812015-03-23T01:37:57.003-04:002015-03-23T01:37:57.003-04:00I think it's fine. I'd rather just let it ...I think it's fine. I'd rather just let it tutor than cascade, because I think it's more interesting as a tool box ability than a random effect. Development might have to mess around with the numbers a bit. It would also be less broken if you can only activate the ability if Edo is attacking or blocking, but that would make it considerably more vulnerable. But the idea that it's "too exploitable" just seems like a lack of developmental creativity. Wobbleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11494097707732649864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-71927951312884585412015-03-23T01:19:52.311-04:002015-03-23T01:19:52.311-04:00Looking at the gatherer for "gains control of...Looking at the gatherer for "gains control of", a defection drawback for some benefit seems to be all over the color pie (mostly because it hasn't been done too often), but it's definitely in Red too with Humble Defector, Drooling Ogre, and Goblin Cadets.Axxlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15851646020554372862noreply@blogger.com