tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post8056346798799682723..comments2024-03-11T02:32:15.295-04:00Comments on Goblin Artisans: CCDD 032713—MechaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-32762813771051060242013-03-29T10:43:21.570-04:002013-03-29T10:43:21.570-04:00It's definitely dangerous territory.It's definitely dangerous territory.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-54760083058152177662013-03-28T23:27:42.999-04:002013-03-28T23:27:42.999-04:00Then again, it seems flip cards failed for mostly ...Then again, it seems flip cards failed for mostly visual reasons so we do need to be careful about that, but I still think it has lots of potential.Chahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15574587448667619081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-52545408189193322312013-03-28T23:24:27.515-04:002013-03-28T23:24:27.515-04:00Something like it.
I'm thinking of a common bl...Something like it.<br />I'm thinking of a common black "Destroy" effect, so Go for the Throat would be too strong in a set that doesn't have many artifacts except for the few buildable Mechas.<br />Chahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15574587448667619081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-57735123703535556542013-03-28T20:20:35.290-04:002013-03-28T20:20:35.290-04:00This isn't craziness for craziness's sake;...This isn't craziness for craziness's sake; choosing which side to use allows you to really feel like you're inventing an original contraption with makeshift parts, and that you're doing it to match the situation. <br /><br />(Which is why I made such a mechanic in my old post here, which I keep mentioning. <br />http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27147429/Contest_Guaranteed_to_Stretch_your_Imagination_V2?post_num=145#492735817)<br /><br />It will allow you to feel like you're tinkering, adapting to the situation like McGyver. It will give you some amount of choice about what you combine with what. It's not like "I'll combine whatever I happen to draw" and it's also not like tutoring, where you'll use the same best card every time. <br /><br />(Which is why I made such a mechanic in my old post here, which I keep mentioning. <br />http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27147429/Contest_Guaranteed_to_Stretch_your_Imagination_V2?post_num=145#492735817)<br />Chahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15574587448667619081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-80087443976730717692013-03-28T20:08:21.173-04:002013-03-28T20:08:21.173-04:00Casual players may not care for reconfiguring thei...Casual players may not care for reconfiguring their decks between games, but I don't think they think Wish effects are too much of a hassle for example so it might depend on the type of effect that calls for the sideboard.Chahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15574587448667619081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-36323987823135116992013-03-28T15:29:34.468-04:002013-03-28T15:29:34.468-04:00I can see the advantage, but sideboard-dependence ...I can see the advantage, but sideboard-dependence seems like a major pain for casual players (who often don't even have them).HavelockVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12698268009797139251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-32325325200632008852013-03-28T15:28:17.490-04:002013-03-28T15:28:17.490-04:00I was thinking about that. The easiest template wo...I was thinking about that. The easiest template would probably be, "When this creature dies, choose half of it to return to your hand." But it's extra text on an already complicated mechanic; I think I'd rather just have extra beefy omegas.HavelockVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12698268009797139251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-76950278403767749002013-03-28T13:10:10.059-04:002013-03-28T13:10:10.059-04:00You could also just make them work such that if an...You could also just make them work such that if an Omega would die, you lose half and transform the other half back to what it was. That would make them a lot more resiliant.Wobbleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11494097707732649864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-69597889167769698312013-03-28T11:21:28.452-04:002013-03-28T11:21:28.452-04:00Right. I would aim mostly at Ritual of Restoration...Right. I would aim mostly at Ritual of Restoration effects, so that if the omega eats a Shatter, you can get back whichever half you need to pair with your backup alpha or beta. But a Faerie Mechanist certainly wouldn't go amiss.HavelockVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12698268009797139251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-32357044512545548392013-03-28T10:17:58.909-04:002013-03-28T10:17:58.909-04:00You mean Go for the throat?You mean Go for the throat?Wobbleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11494097707732649864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-90457000527216931602013-03-28T10:16:47.627-04:002013-03-28T10:16:47.627-04:00We don't have to design DFC-BFM-split cards, b...We don't have to design DFC-BFM-split cards, but it would be irresponsible not to explore the concept. Good design isn't never considering more complex options, it's exploring every option you can conceive of and then making an informed choice.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-6467561906941065322013-03-28T10:13:24.263-04:002013-03-28T10:13:24.263-04:00The "combine" text on the front explains...The "combine" text on the front explains that the combination is treated as a single card. So Unsummon returns both halves and Doom Blade kills both halves, etc.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-65563021187447619952013-03-28T10:12:26.003-04:002013-03-28T10:12:26.003-04:00The chance a set with Alphas and Betas in it but d...The chance a set with Alphas and Betas in it but doesn't include Tinker, Diabolic Tutor and Ritual of Restoration, or variants thereof seems low.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-8396708223557907212013-03-28T10:12:08.731-04:002013-03-28T10:12:08.731-04:00Could the sideboard help?
Example:
Voltron Blue ...Could the sideboard help?<br /><br />Example:<br /><br />Voltron Blue - 2/U 2/U 2/U<br />Artifact Creature - Mecha Transformer<br />Whenever ~ deals combat damage to a player, draw a card.<br />Voltron - If you have drawn three or more cards in a turn, you may transform ~ and combine ~ with a Transformer from your sideboard.<br />2/4<br /><br />///<br /><br />Big Blue<br />Artifact Creature - Mecha Transformer<br />Flying<br />You may draw a card whenever ~ an opponent is dealt damage. <br />~ adds +2/+4 to its total power and toughness.<br />*/*<br /><br />In your sideboard you can either have:<br /><br />Voltron Red 2/R 2/R 2/R<br />Artifact Creature - Mecha Transformer<br />Haste<br />Voltron - If ~ survives combat, you may transform ~ and combine ~ with a Transformer from your sideboard.<br />4/1<br />////<br />Big Red<br />Artifact Creature - Mecha Transformer<br />Whenever an opponent taps a land for mana, that player takes one damage.<br />~ contributes +4/+1 to its total power and toughness.<br />*/*<br /><br />Or even just a generic CMC less cards that would take the token slot in the pack. So you don't have an inherent card disadvantage for limited play, but have a real cost to play in Constructed.<br /><br />Mecha Base<br />Artifact Creature - Mecha Transformer<br />5/5<br />George Gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03015973076835746309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-21642706953975312502013-03-28T10:08:13.725-04:002013-03-28T10:08:13.725-04:00Right.Right.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-10995626993545252712013-03-28T10:07:56.996-04:002013-03-28T10:07:56.996-04:00The nice thing about the DFC version is that the c...The nice thing about the DFC version is that the card is always playable by itself. If you happen to get another, then you can combine them. You also get to put the text that explains the combination on a side with a full text box.<br /><br />If there were a way to do this split/combine thing on single-faced cards well, that would be amazing, but I don't know how you'd tell players how it works and even if you do, I'm not sure we want a card that's <b>literally</b> unplayable until you draw its pair. That would let us bump up the power level even further, though, and it also eliminates the need for checklist cards and other awkward DFC byproducts.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-60075662988773109982013-03-28T10:04:27.202-04:002013-03-28T10:04:27.202-04:00Even if you had an uncommon, a rare and a mythic f...Even if you had an uncommon, a rare and a mythic for each combination (which you wouldn't—that's way too many mechs), the chance that a Limited deck would have more than two is very small, and the fact that you choose the better of those two really doesn't seem like a problem. In Constructed, you'll only be running the best anyhow.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-39224533270857037242013-03-28T10:01:05.581-04:002013-03-28T10:01:05.581-04:00You can definitely make it more clearly not a misp...You can definitely make it more clearly not a misprint with some more graphic design. Replace the black border in the middle with a steampunk circuit motif, etc.Jay Treathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428861685923241850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-58276595416395094242013-03-28T09:29:21.329-04:002013-03-28T09:29:21.329-04:00@Daniel Here are the numbers. 42% chance of failur...@Daniel Here are the <a href="http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%282+*+%2837+choose+15%29+-+%2834+choose+15%29+%29%2F+%2840+choose+15.+%29" rel="nofollow">numbers</a>. 42% chance of failure, which I think is okay. It goes down to 26% if you have four of each.<br /><br />@Antny Yes, that is the big question. But it's certainly a solvable one; RoE managed it, and if mecha are viable, I'm confident we could too.HavelockVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12698268009797139251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-12487801438152304852013-03-28T06:03:55.805-04:002013-03-28T06:03:55.805-04:00So I guess in that case the Doom Blades of the env...So I guess in that case the Doom Blades of the environment would say "Destroy target non-artifact creature."Chahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15574587448667619081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-8609868471840647722013-03-28T05:51:26.351-04:002013-03-28T05:51:26.351-04:00I don't think it's too crazy. Only as craz...I don't think it's too crazy. Only as crazy as Split cards and Dual Faced cards looked at first. There's got to be a way to make it visually look like it's meant to be that way rather than a misprint. Chahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15574587448667619081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-9856006671387080892013-03-28T05:12:22.047-04:002013-03-28T05:12:22.047-04:00the trouble isn't just whether there's a c...the trouble isn't just whether there's a chance to play them but whether there's a fair chance. If we go down the battle cruiser omega route in a format with little removal leads me to imagine match ups where players are simply playing we can draw any Alpha and Beta card and combine them first. If one player gets his 8/8 on turn five, how can the other player cope without quickly drawing out his giant robot.<br /><br />Rise introduced a lot of ideas such as level up and totem armor to help decks without Eldrazi on field survive the assault. What ideas will will Ekremes have that doesn't outplay/outshine Omega bots?Antny223https://www.blogger.com/profile/15428604357908431118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-17022795956695309792013-03-28T00:30:20.954-04:002013-03-28T00:30:20.954-04:00Assume you have 40 cards, including 3 alphas and 3...Assume you have 40 cards, including 3 alphas and 3 betas, and you see 15 cards over the course of the game. Then the total number of possible outcomes is 40 <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combination" rel="nofollow">choose</a> 15. The number of hands with no alpha is 37 choose 15. The number with no beta is also 37 choose 15. The number with neither is 34 choose 15. By <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclusion%E2%80%93exclusion_principle" rel="nofollow">inclusion-exclusion</a>, the number of hands with no alpha-beta pair is 2 * (37 choose 15) - (34 choose 15). To get the probability of failure, divide that number by 40 choose 15. <br /><br />Assuming I copy-pasted the numbers from the calculator correctly (which is by no means certain) then the result is about 1/2, which seems acceptable.HavelockVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12698268009797139251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-84956649854451645222013-03-28T00:02:53.234-04:002013-03-28T00:02:53.234-04:00I had that problem as well; I thought for some rea...I had that problem as well; I thought for some reason the images hadn't loaded right. It took me a minute to realize how it worked.<br /><br />Is there a way to make the visual aspect stronger?Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417959233780755818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5479847193762153273.post-80760161681000153492013-03-28T00:01:05.250-04:002013-03-28T00:01:05.250-04:00Huh.
Do you have your calculating in a format whe...Huh.<br /><br />Do you have your calculating in a format where you can share it? I'm curious to see how it works out.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417959233780755818noreply@blogger.com